Post details: Religious Belief and Social Problems

18/06/07

Permalink 10:46:32 pm, by RayTomes Email , 366 words, 3161 views   English (NZ)
Categories: social, miscellaneous

Religious Belief and Social Problems

Many non-religious people have experienced religious people claiming that they are therefore less moral and related arguments. Of course this is not true, but this belief is common amoung the religious, that morality comes from religion.

Now some actual research has been done, looking at how prevalent various religious behaviours are in different countries and comparing this to various moral behaviours and healthiness of living. The results are bound to be a big shock to those that think that healthy and moral behaviour come from religion - quite the opposite is true. Consider these two lists - the first concerns itself with being religious and the commonly associated disbelief in evolution. The second is concerned with behaviours which most would agree are immoral and / or unhealthy.

Absolute belief in God
Attend religious services at least several times per month
Take the bible literally
Pray at least several times per week
Not being an agnostic or athiest
Disbelieve in evolution

High homicide rate
High rate of 15-24 year old suicides
High rate of under 5 year old mortality
Lower life expectancy
Higher rate of gonorrhea infection - adults and teens
Higher rate of syphilis infection - adults and teens
Higher rate of 15-19 year old abortions
Higher rate of 15-17 year old pregnancies

It turns out that countries that are higher in the first category items are also generally higher in the second category items. The two go together. It cannot be stated that religion causes immorality, as it might be that immorality causes religion, or something else causes both. But they do go together.

The full details of this report are available at website of the Journal of Religion and Society.

I would interpret these results in this way. If you look to God, prayer and religion to solve your problems, then when nothing happens you are lost. If you look to yourself to solve your problems, then you take responsibility for all your own behaviour. The latter is a much more healthy approach as it develops useful patterns of behaviour whereas the former develops dependency on something that is imaginary and then disappointment and upset is inevitable.

See also the follow up article Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

Comments:

Comment from: crankyfilipino [Visitor] Email · http://www.hoy-pare.com
Thanks for the post. I wish there was a billion more like this. The world is unhealthy when it comes to religion. I am atheist. I have morals and I look to myself.
PermalinkPermalink 20/06/07 @ 02:24
Comment from: Kevin Wicker [Visitor] Email · http://www.myspace.com/kevinwicker
Overall, I agree with the article. But it lacks a few considerations, and is a bit biased.
First, I know that prayer works. You can interpret it any way you want, but there's something to it -- if you are sincere and a responsible thinker, as the article suggests.
True life experience will show you that you should never dismiss anything as fable without first putting it to the test. Obviously the author hasn't truly given prayer a chance.
Secondly, our country is a bit gun-shy over religion because of fanatical terrorists and greedy fundamentalist Christian leaders. Rightly so.
But here lately, a great many Americans are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I feel that our moral decline is a result of our deteriorating values - which started in the 1960's when we forsook our traditional values (which were birthed from Biblical perspectives).
I am not a Bible thumper. But we should consider the good that came from it when we once believed in some of it's principals; such as serving one another, loving our neighbor, and trusted in God. There's nothing wrong with these things. Our world would become a much safer place if we were to adopt these values once again.
Our problem today is the lack of principals. Anything goes. It has leaked into our schools, certainly into our government, and yes, our churches as well.
I do believe in seperation of church and state simply for that reason. But I feel we really missed the mark when we turned our backs on the principals that made us a great nation.
Consider: did guns really replace prayer after we took prayer out of schools? I think so. It's something to think about.
PermalinkPermalink 21/06/07 @ 15:56
Comment from: RayTomes [Member] Email · http://ray.tomes.biz/
Hi Kevin

Thanks for your thoughts.

The article does not say that prayer does not work, although it might seem implied by the last paragraph. There are actually some scientific tests that are supposed to show that prayer does work, although they may be flawed.

However I would still argue that even if prayer works, it is not as effective as getting off one's behind (or knees or whatever) and doing something about a problem. Many people pray for things that are actually mentioned in the seven deadly sins, i.e. they are based on greed or envy or pride. When someone asks for things to fall into their lap, they would be far better off getting up and doing something constructive. The atheist automatically has extra time not spent in prayer or at church, as well as the inclination, to do something useful about the problem.

I agree with you that there has been a deterioration in values. I think that saying "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and died for my sins" and believing that will get you into heaven (a common belief) is really foolish. It is not Christ's teaching but might be Paul's. Better to understand that "as you give, so shall you receive" and "do unto others as you would have done unto you". These are practical guides to living. However these beliefs do not require a belief in God, the bible, prayer or attending church to work.
PermalinkPermalink 21/06/07 @ 20:07
Comment from: Kevin Wicker [Visitor] Email
I am in total agreement Ray. I only wish many in the prayer community would consider such views, namely Christians.

Thank you for an insightful article!
PermalinkPermalink 22/06/07 @ 06:00
Comment from: breadman77 [Visitor] Email
What a bunch of malarcky !! And these guys that "blessed" your article... you all share the same ignorance.
PermalinkPermalink 22/06/07 @ 07:26
Comment from: RayTomes [Member] Email · http://ray.tomes.biz/
Well breadman77, you sure didn't bring us out of our ignorance with your appeal to reason, facts or insights.
PermalinkPermalink 22/06/07 @ 16:43

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